Victionarium:Taberna

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Index 1 Project namespace 2 Template for new pages 3 Totae paginae 4 Breves 5 Lang Marking 6 Latin words in all UPPERCASE 7 Vicilibri Latina 8 Pagina experimentalis 9 Word frequencies 10 Order of nom. - gen. - dat. - acc. 11 Logo Discussion 12 unicodigum simbolaque extranea? 13 metior 14 formula pro metior 15 Conventum prospere aperitur est 16 Formula:delenda 17 Red Links 18 Procurator Cynegii 19 Pars Principalis Prima 20 Translationes terminologiae grammaticae 21 affines/derivatae 22 Red links 23 capital vs. miniscule letters 24 Ad administratorem 25 DEFAULTSORT 26 Betawiki: better support for your language in MediaWiki 27 Word order 28 Pages for inflected forms?

[+/-] Project namespace

Why is the project namespace (with the yellow background) for this still Wikipedia: ? —Mycēs 17:18 mai 1, 2004 (UTC)

Apparently it's been fixed to the default Wiktionary:. Is this something we'll stick with, or will a sysop change it to Victionarium: ? Are there any sysops here yet? —Mycēs 05:00 mai 8, 2004 (UTC)

[+/-] Template for new pages

Template for new pages? I guess Victionarium:Exemplum is it; will there be more detail on it soon? Robin Patterson 06:40 mai 5, 2004 (UTC)

What I put at Exemplum is basically a translation of the template on the English wiktionary. (Not very good, my latinization skills are so-so.) If anyone wants to contribute to perhaps making a better format, now would be the time to edit Exemplum with suggestions. —Mycēs 23:58 mai 5, 2004 (UTC)

Salve! Will we have a table of conjugation and so on in our entries? German Wikiwoelterbuch goes so. Or is it a field more appropriate to the WikiBook? KIZU 12:28 mai 19, 2004 (UTC)

[+/-] Totae paginae

Until we get too many pages for the system to handle, it can't hurt to have a few more direct links to at least one functional "Totae paginae" rather than having potential contributors put off by going to the "Paginae speciales" and hitting "Totae paginae (ex indice)" then being taken to http://la.wiktionary.org/wiki/Specialis:Allpages - which is quite capable of being blank apart from the message we will need when we get BIG:

"Pardono! Iste functionalitate es temporarimente inactivate durante horas de grande affluentia de accessos pro motivo de performance; retorna inter 02:00 e 14:00 UTC e tenta de nove.

Here's a saved copy from 05:54 mai 18, 2004:"

I know people can reach the list (currently 20 "symboles" plus five other pages) directly from Pagina prima by hitting "Verba ab littera initiali: A" - but that's a trifle obscure (and ought not to give a list from A to W anyway).
Now what about that second row of letter-links following "Verba incipiunt cum litteris aliis" - are they real or imaginary? Several (maybe most) of them lead to an empty page called "Totae paginae".
MAYBE some sysop has all of that in mind and just hasn't completed all the necessary fiddles. Leave the above (for those of us who want another way to inspect progress) until resolved, perhaps!

Kind regards - Patrifilius 06:16 mai 18, 2004 (UTC)

I don't know about how to get Specialis:Totae paginae working, but the second row of letters is those from other scripts, which are ordered after A-Z. Once people start adding Latin definitions of Greek, Russian, Japanese, etc. words then those pages will show results. The whole construct is imported directly from the English Wiktionary, where clicking "Quick jump to words beginning with: A" has enough that it will only show A through Abrader. la: won't reach that for awhile, though. I've replaced the box with just a working link to Totae paginae for now. —Mycēs 17:14 mai 18, 2004 (UTC)

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[+/-] Breves

Ordinarily I wouldn't prefer to put breves in the headwords. But given that this is a wiki, and much of the information we get may be incomplete, maybe it might be a good idea to use breves to show “yes, this vowel is short, and not just unmarked” ? I can add them to the box below the edit box if we go with that. It'll also help us more honestly add words where vowel quantity is uncertain (such as some neologisms).

Egomet non praefero ponere signa brevia in lemmatibus. Wiki tamen est, et multus qui recipiemur non completus erit; fortasse prudens sit ut brevibus uti ut docere “ita, haec vocalis est brevis, nec solummodo sine apice” ? Capsae sub recensione addere possum, si volumus. Etiam adiutabilis erit in addere verba cuius quantitas vocalis incerta est (e.g. nonnulla novicia).

—Myces Tiberinus 14:48 nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

Sure. Why not?

As long as I don't have to add them to Japanese transliterations;) --Vladisdead 14:50 nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

[+/-] Lang Marking

I've realized that we may need to mark the language words are in for the browser to render them properly. Most language will cope fine being processed as "la" but CJK characters display differently depending on the language. However, tags aren't allowed in wikitext (see [1]) and <div> tags are inappropriate. How's this to be done? --Vladisdead 10:40 nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

If it's really necessary, a kludge could be used. For example for Template:furi I used a <b> (bold) tag, and then stripped it of boldness with CSS. —Myces Tiberinus 15:34 nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. I guess we could just go with something like <font lang="xx"></font>, then? --Vladisdead 16:24 nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

Anything that might be wrong with that, before I go and stick on every entry? ☺ --Vladisdead 17:17 nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

How about an example of the differences we're talking here? Is the difference of rendering supposed to occur for every character, most characters, some characters, or what? —Myces Tiberinus 18:01 nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

Well, they're generally only minor differences, AFAIK, but occur for a fair few characters (eg if one radical is different, all the characters using that radical will be, too). Characters displayed incorrectly are still legible, but ideally they can be displayed in the proper fonts. It's not überimportant, but it would be good. --Vladisdead 18:21 nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

CJK-using langs aren't the only ones, too - some languages differ as to whether to use a caron or an apostrophe for characters with ascenders, and things like that. Nothing that would be illegible, but each language would prefer to be displayed in its own style. --Vladisdead 18:38 nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

All right — BTW, are any browsers smart enough to do this yet? Or is this just noding for the ages? —Myces Tiberinus 23:36 nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

Well, mine (Firefox) is. And I suspect the latest version of IE is too, if the font support is set up. --Vladisdead 02:01 nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I checked it in Firefox shortly after posting; the zh 鼻 displayed in a different font than the ja 鼻. Either Opera can't do that yet, or I set it up with the wrong fonts, not being prepared for the intricacies of East Asian typography (I suspect the former though). —Myces Tiberinus 05:31 nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

[+/-] Latin words in all UPPERCASE

Salve. Over on English wiktionary, some guy has started to convert some Latin language entries to all UPPERCASE. There is a discussion in the Beer Parlor (entry with same name as this). If anyone has any thoughts, they might like to express them there. Thanks. 62.252.64.16 16:33 iul 18, 2005 (UTC) (SemperBlotto)

[+/-] Vicilibri Latina

I've come from the Latin Wikibooks, which is in a shambles. I've been made administrator there until July 31, and I'm trying to fix it up as best I can. There is a huge amount of work to be done, but it is possible. If you are so inclined please come and help! -b:Usor:Dbmag9

[+/-] Pagina experimentalis

Does such a page exist here? --Roland2 18:04, 31 Maii 2006 (UTC)

Victionarium:Harenarium. —Myces Tiberinus 21:57, 31 Maii 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] Word frequencies

Are there such lists in the Victionarium? I have found a list of the 1000 most frequent German words. See my user page ([2]). --Roland2 07:05, 5 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

Victionarium:Dictiones in Project Gutenberg per frequentiam is all we have so far, I think. —Myces Tiberinus 22:59, 6 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] Order of nom. - gen. - dat. - acc.

In Zähre we have the cases in an order which I learnt in school: nom. - gen. - dat. - acc. The order in Mauerraute is very strange to me: nom. - acc. - gen. - dat. The cases have alternate names: "1. Fall", "2. Fall", "3. Fall", "4. Fall" which correspond to nom. - gen. - dat. - acc. Is the order in Mauerraute an error or are there reasons? --Roland2 20:43, 6 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

The cases should be given in the order normal to their language. I am not a native German speaker, so the table I put in Formula:de-declinatio-4f (which appears in Mauerraute) is in the wrong, I suppose, and probably needs to be edited. —Myces Tiberinus 22:57, 6 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, now that I look into it, the Latin cases were numbered as well—and apparently in the same way as the German: casus primus (nominative), casus secundus (genitive), casus tertius (dative), casus quartus (accusative), casus quintus (vocative), casus sextus (ablative). The first five seem to be inherited from Greek, with Latin's ablative tacked onto the end. —Myces Tiberinus 00:48, 9 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

I like it ... that's the order I know from school. :-) See http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputatio:Declinatio_Prima --Roland2 12:32, 9 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, but it is a surprise to me, as my Latin textbooks do not present them in this order! The grammar at Perseus is similar to this, but puts the vocative sixth; my dead-trees grammar gives them in the order I have made the declension tables in (presumably as it has the advantage of putting similar-appearing forms together). In User:Mycēs/la-declinatio, though, which I am currently working on, I have fixed it to the normal order. Incidentally I was able to find some references to the locative as the seventh case. (And also a few others to seventh and eighth cases being conjectures of imaginative grammarians...) —Myces Tiberinus 14:01, 9 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

In [3] I provided a link to http://culturitalia.uibk.ac.at/hispanoteca/Lexikon%20der%20Linguistik/k/KASUS%20%20%20Caso.htm and guessed it seems that the order I have in mind is just used when the focus is on Latin. If someone is talking more general, other orderings are used --Roland2 14:12, 9 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] Logo Discussion

There is a logo discussion going on for Wiktionary at meta:Wiktionary/logo. Please contribute. Dbmag9 19:02, 12 Iulii 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] unicodigum simbolaque extranea?

Cur habet wictionarium latinum simbolum √ et ceteram? (Et vobis rogo quod mihi perdonetis meam latinam malam) –72.66.71.216 17:45, 27 Iulii 2006 (UTC)

Vide Auxilium:Abbreviationes#Symboli. —Myces Tiberinus 22:26, 27 Iulii 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] metior

Habemusne formulam pro verbis sicut "metior". Solum "eloquor" inveni, quod non valet ad "metior" introducendum propter ii-effectus.

Etiam patior, loquor, morior, mercor, metor non inveni. Alex1011 20:34, 19 Augusti 2006 (UTC)

Non, caremus Formula:coniugatio-4-dep, Formula:coniugatio-3io-dep, Formula:coniugatio-2-dep, etc. Potes eas facere. —Myces Tiberinus 22:28, 19 Augusti 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] formula pro metior

Formulas Formula:XXX et Formula:YYY feci pro metior, sed nescio quo nomine formulae nominandae sunt:

Radix praesens loqu-
Praesens indicativum
dep.	sing.	plur.
I.	loquor	loquimur
II.	loqueris	loquiminī
III.	loquitur	loquuntur
Imperativus
dep.	loquere	loquiminī
Imperativus futurus
II.	loquitor	—
III.	loquitor	loquuntor
Praesens subiunctivum
dep.	sing.	plur.
I.	loquar	loquāmur
II.	loquāris	loquāminī
III.	loquātur	loquantur
Imperfectum indicativum
dep.	sing.	plur.
I.	loquēbar	loquēbāmur
II.	loquēbāris	loquēbāminī
III.	loquēbātur	loquēbantur
Imperfectum subiunctivum
dep.	sing.	plur.
I.	loquerer	loquerēmur
II.	loquerēris	loquerēminī
III.	loquerētur	loquerentur
Futurum indicativum
dep.	sing.	plur.
I.	loquar	loquēmur
II.	loquēris (-re)	loquēminī
III.	loquētur	loquentur

Infinitivi act. dep. praes. — loquī perf. — locutus (-a, -um) esse

Participia praes. loquens, -entis perf. locutus, -a, -um fut. locutūrus, -a, -um

Gerundia et supina subst. loquendum, -ī adiect. loquendus, -a, -um supina locutum, locutū

Alex1011 11:48, 25 Septembris 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] Conventum prospere aperitur est

Haec sententia corrigenda est. --Alex1011 20:28, 18 Novembris 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] Formula:delenda

Is there a "delete"-template in Victionarium? Eg. Wikcionario‎ should be deleted, I guess, but what can I do about it? --81.197.12.28 16:30, 3 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

There is no delete template yet. It's been low-traffic enough that we pretty much see everything at least within a day of it coming in. It may come to that sometime, tho, and if you'd like to make Formula:delenda (or whatever) feel free. —Myces Tiberinus 00:21, 4 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] Red Links

What can be done with all of the red links in any conjugation or declension template? Should they all redirect back to the original, or should they all link to separate articles?

For example:

          Habemus, 1st person plural of habeo.  (This would be in Lingua Latina, of course)

If so, I can help do that.

--Freiberg, Let's talk!, contribs 01:01, 23 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

[+/-] Procurator Cynegii

Is the translation Procurer of Dogs ??

Wikipedia

I tried a bunch of different Latin dictionaries and translators on the Internet without any luck. 65.94.115.87 01:28, 24 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

"Procurare" is "to procure" in Italian, and a similar word exists in Spanish. These being romance languages, the most likely root is a Latin 1st conjugation verb, id est Procuro, Procurare, Procuravi, Procuratus. For now, I'll give you Procurator Canis. It looks right...curator being a derivative if the pro is dropped. I'll look into it further later. --68.98.162.253 21:00, 11 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

They weren't looking for a translation of 'procurer of dogs'— they were looking for what w:en:Procurator Cynegii meant (apparently it is not well described in the context it appears, but even if they were a procurer of dogs, that's not what the phrase actually means... cynegium is the hunt, not dogs). This person posted their question in a few places—I answered it at Talk:Pagina prima#Procurator_Cynegii. —Myces Tiberinus 22:52, 12 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

[+/-] Pars Principalis Prima

Are the entries of verbs supposed to use the first principal part? And, if so, should the others redirect there? --68.98.162.253 20:51, 11 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Verbs in general are to be placed under the normal dictionary form for their language. Thus first principal part in Latin and Greek, infinitive in Romance, third person in Arabic, etc. The other parts should not be redirects; use the ==Formae affines== header to link back to the dictionary form (an example of how it works, although with a noun instead of a verb, is at bello). Redirects are not good because a word may exist in more than one language (like your 'procurare') — the only places redirects are good as far as I can tell is between upper-case and lower-case forms (e.g. cupido and Cupido) because it is normal to expect case to fold. —Myces Tiberinus 22:52, 12 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

[+/-] Translationes terminologiae grammaticae

I need some translations in order to make Finnish conjugation templates or tables. It's hard to find translations for these, though the translations can propably be formed easily... I just wanted to make sure I get the "official" translations.

So, how would you translate conditional and potential? They are both moods. --PeeKoo 13:18, 2 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Well, mood is modus (I'm sure you already knew that) ... and both condicionalis and potentialis see use in the one Latin grammar of a foreign language that I know of [4]. (Well, he spells it conditionalis but Lewis and Short seem to prefer the condic- forms...) —Mucius Tever 01:06, 3 Maii 2007 (UTC)

According to my dictionary, conditio means making jam, condicio means (among other things) condition, so I'll go with condic-, too ;). Gratias. --PeeKoo 16:09, 3 Maii 2007 (UTC)

[+/-] affines/derivatae

Are the terms

• formae affines
• dictiones derivatae
• locutiones
• collocationes
• exempla
• usus

somewhere explained? (If not, I think we need some explanation.) --Alex1011 19:33, 9 Maii 2007 (UTC)

The top-level heading "Formae affines" is for listing words with the same spelling as the page title that have main entries elsewhere (e.g. because it is an inflected, Romanized, abbreviated, or alternate spelling form linking to the main entry, or because it is disambiguated) — also if the words only differ by placement of diacritics. The English wiktionary uses a 'See also:' line at the top of its entries for this purpose (see, e.g. at, the, etc.)

The second-level headings ("dictiones derivatae" and "usus") are in described in Victionarium:Exemplum (template for Latin entry) and/or Victionarium:Exemplum lemmatis alieni (template for non-Latin entry) -- linked off the front page.

'Collocation' is a technical term for what are essentially set phrases: words that normally occur together. (The Wikipedia article explains it better than I can offhand, though there are better definitions.)

'Exempla' I have been using for editorial examples. Not famous examples, i.e. quotes, which go under Loci -- but just short sentences made up on the spot to illustrate some grammatical property of how the word is used. (Generally use this if there is more to show than what the usual single example under the definition line can do.)

'Locutiones' I haven't seen, tho I think I might have used 'Locutio' ages ago as a part-of-speech heading translating the idea of "phrase". —Mucius Tever 01:13, 10 Maii 2007 (UTC)

[+/-] Red links

Should we link to words that are already in vitionario or simply to forms of words which then need an extra entry. That is: usu or usu (the latter is of course more tedious work)? And: Links already in definitions or only in affines and loci etc. --Alex1011 09:22, 10 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Link to the headword if you can. (Sometimes you can't, like in words you don't know the dictionary form to.) I think the expectation is that someone clicking on a word wants to see a full entry... and if utor is doing its job with inflection tables it should indicate what 'usu' is. That doesn't mean usu can't have its "affinis" reference to utor — just that it's not priority. (IIRC the English wiktionary has a similar priority... though I think they eventually set up a bot to do lines for inflected forms.) —Mucius Tever 10:11, 10 Maii 2007 (UTC)

[+/-] capital vs. miniscule letters

I have tampered with sto in a way, that it still appears as "sto" in the alphabetical list, but appears in the headline not as "Sto" but as "sto". Isn't that better than the old solution of "Sto"? --Alex1011 12:34, 13 Maii 2007 (UTC)

What? Sort (from language templates like Template:-la-), title (in the caput template), and page name (as used in the wiki database post-decapitalization) are three different animals.

• Sorts are capitalized per normal case-folding rules (A and a should sort together, and A being primary should get the section headings).
• Titles are capitalized per universal text formatting rules: titles should be in title case. The caput template is the place where the correct titlecase form of a word is displayed. There are words whose title-case begins with a lower-case letter (bIQ, xirma, pH, etc.), but "Sto" is the title-case form of sto, not "sto". [pH is at the moment a bad example because it hasn't got {caput} put on it yet.]
• Page names appear as lowercase or uppercase due to hasty implementation of a "feature" that some people thought might be useful but was pushed on wiktionaries that didnt want it or weren't ready for it. Because of it (bugzilla:5075) we put in sorts and titles manually (and other Wiktionaries go with unmixed categories and poorly-formatted titles). —Mucius Tever 02:20, 14 Maii 2007 (UTC)

[+/-] Ad administratorem

There are a couple of things that should be fixed in MediaWiki:Uploadtext. (Red=problem, green=proposed solution.)

<strong>SISTERE!</strong> Ante hic oneras, lege et pare 
[[Wiktionary:Image_use_policy|consilias de Wiktionary de uso imaginum]].
<p>Ut videre aut quaerere imagines oneratas antea,
adi [[Special:Imagelist|indicem imaginum oneratae]].
Onerata et deleta in [[Wiktionary:Upload_log|notationem oneratorum]] notata sunt.
<p>Utere formam subter onerare fasciculos novos.
Capsam desginare debes qui verba privata non uteris.
Preme "Onerare" pro onerate incipere.
<p>Formae antipositae sunt: JPEG pro imaginibus, PNG pro simulacris, et OGG pro sonis.
Nomina descriptiva utere, ut confusiones evitare.
Pro imaginem in rebus includere, nexum <b>[[Image:file.jpg]]</b> aut
<b>[[image:file.png|verba alterna]]</b>, aut <b>[[media:file.ogg]]</b> pro sonis utere.

--PeeKoo 08:59, 6 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

[+/-] DEFAULTSORT

Alex1011 has used this kind of a tool when categorising pages: {{DEFAULTSORT:Complexus mercatorius}}. Maybe this code should be added in Formula:caput, like this: <includeonly>{{DEFAULTSORT:{{{2}}}}}</includeonly>, so that categorsing in all pages would be sorted automatically by capital letter. Or is there a reason for not doing so?

Of course, the title of a page doesn't always correspond to the sort key... The real sort key is in Formula:-la- and other such templates. Is there a solution to this? (See also, w:en:Template:DEFAULTSORT.) --PeeKoo 12:36, 10 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[+/-] Betawiki: better support for your language in MediaWiki

Dear community. I am writing to you to promote a special wiki called Betawiki. This wiki facilitates the localisation (l10n) of the MediaWiki interface. You may have changed many messages here to use your language in the interface, but if you would log in to for example the Japanese language Wiktionary, you would not be able to use the interface as well translated as here. In fact, of over 1,700 messages in the core of MediaWiki, 1030 messages have been translated. Betawiki also supports the translation of messages for well over 100 extensions, with over 1,550 messages. Translators for over 70 languages contribute their work to MediaWiki this way every month.

If you wish to contribute to better support of your language in MediaWiki, as well as for many MediaWiki extensions, please visit Betawiki, create an account and request translator privileges. You can see the current status of localisation of your language on MediaWiki.org and do not forget to get in touch with others that may already be working on your language on Betawiki.

If you have any further questions, please let me know on my talk page on Betawiki. We will try and assist you as much as possible, for example by importing all messages from a local wiki for you to start with, if you so desire.

You can also find us on the Freenode IRC network in the channel #mediawiki-i18n where we would be happy to help you get started.

Thank you very much for your attention and I do hope to see some of you on Betawiki soon! Cheers! Siebrand@Betawiki 16:44, 13 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

[+/-] Word order

Salvete!

Do we have a special word order for homonyms (I mean, an order in which the different meanings of the same-looking words are put)? I am asking this because I would like to write an article about "laniger". My dictionary says that there are two meanings:

1. "wearing" wool (an adjective)
2. animal that does so = sheep, lamb

So shall I put the adjective or the substantive first?

I thank you in advance for your efforts! --Abmf 19:30, 29 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Just like you have in your explanation—the substantive use is derived from the adjective, so the adjective goes first. And 'laniger' in this case is not a homonym but just a word with two senses. Homonyms, words requiring totally different entries, would be unrelated words like jus, or os. 'Laniger' could probably even get away with using the same part of speech header. —Mucius Tever 10:35, 30 Martii 2008 (UTC)

[+/-] Pages for inflected forms?

All the Wiktionaries that I know have extra pages for inflected forms of substantives, verbs, ... (see for example [5] from the English Wiktionary). As far as I have seen, we don't have this for our Latin Wiktionary, however. I think this would be very utile, though, because hardly any language has as many different inflexions as Latin.

Somebody who only has an inflected form in a text can then consult our Wiktionary by using only this form and will, over the page of the form, be led to the basic form and its meaning.

I think, however, that if we start with such pages, we should have a good uniform scheme for all of them. I would suggest (for the page "lanae"):

(a "caput" containing "Lanae")

(an indication that this section is about the Latin word)

(an indication that it is a substantive)

(an indication that this is an inflected form)

• gen. sg. verbi lana
• dat. sg. verbi lana
• nom. pl. verbi lana
• voc. pl. verbi lana

Does anybody have better ideas about the design of the pages? I followed the German Wiktionary ([6]). I would be equally grateful if somebody could tell me which formula is used for the "inflected form" indication. Thanks in advance! --Abmf 07:13, 9 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

We've had this intention since the beginning, it's just that very few such pages have been produced. This is (one of the things) the 'Formae affines' header is for, and examples of the format are at belli, manatus, Maria, virtute, etc. Basically it is to be a one-line summary of the inflection, its language, and a link to the full entry. Besides inflections, "Formae affines" is also used for Romanized forms (lǎo, ito), abbreviations (D.D., Ag), alternate spellings (γενή, murra), forms with the same spelling but differing in diacritical marks or capitalization (o, τις), forms with the same spelling being disambiguated from the Latin entry (lawrencium, delphinus), or in general any other place where a form which is not the headword form needs to refer back to the main entry. —Mucius Tever 10:20, 9 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

I see. Thanks a lot! --Abmf 16:44, 9 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)